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Post by Megan on Nov 22, 2004 7:01:38 GMT -5
Jeœli ktoœ ma ochotê pos³uchaæ dziœ wieczorem gitarzysty Stinga - Dominica Millera - godz. 22.05 Deutschlandfunk Radio www.dradio.de/dlf/vorschau/"live stream" na stronie www.dradio.de/dlf/Oto lista utworów:<br> 1. Shape of my heart (1'50”) Sting (LC 00485/540075-2) (CD "Ten Summoner's Tales”) 2. Seven sisters (1'30”) Dominic Miller (LC 12228/QRM106-2) (CD "Third World”) 3. Altea (3'15”) Dominic Miller (wie 2) (CD "Third World”) 4. Forgotten dream (4'10”) Dominic Miller (wie 2) (CD "Third World”) 5. Partido alto (2'55”) Dominic Miller (wie 2) (CD "Third World”) 6. Another day in paradise (2'15”) Phil Collins (LC 04281/256984-2) (CD "But seriously”) 7. Unify (4'00”) Dominic Miller (LC 12228/QRM105-2) (CD "Second Nature") 8. Gymnodédie (2'50”) Dominic Miller (LC 00171/475479-2) (CD "Shapes”) 9. Presto (2'08”) Dominic Miller (wie 8) (CD "Shapes”) 10.La Boca (3'00”) Dominic Miller (LC 12228/0001042QRM) (CD "First Touch”) Mi³ego s³uchania
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Post by Nothingman on Nov 23, 2004 8:59:32 GMT -5
Za to z ta audycją to Szanowna Megan trafiła w dziesiątkę . Szkoda tylko, że jak mówił Dominic to się włączał jakiś Szwab z tłumaczeniem . Tak czy siak można sie było dowiedzieć, że "Shape of my heart" ma swoje strukturalne korzenie w muzyce Chopina i to jest polski wkład w twórczośc Stinga . Liczę(ymy) na więcej, Megan!!
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Post by Megan on Nov 23, 2004 10:41:22 GMT -5
Kiedy us³ysza³am o Chopenie i kiedy Dominic go zagra³ to zrobi³o mi siê strasznie milutko Ja te¿ kle³am na tego Niemca ale... zna³az³am dzisiaj pe³ne t³umaczenie tego co mówi³ wczoraj Dominik. "Shape of My heart" was just an example of me sitting down right after dinner (playing riff) and Sting saying:"What's that ?"- "Oh, just such a riff" I said, and I experienced a bit with it. He said "no, no, stay with that, just this one figure" - he is just a songwriter: he knows how to make a song out of a little melody or harmony-serie- I can't do that, but I can deliver the ideas, I am a co-songwriter." The rest of the story is known: "Shape of my heart" became one of the biggest hits of Sting, was sold millions of times and, this maybe less known, it's also a blessing for the co-author of the music, for the guitarist Dominic Miller. Dominic: "Until now the song has been covered by so many people- it's making a living of it. It was covered so many times, it's unbelievable. I could live from it, just from this one composition. This is the good thing of copyright. Well- and a bit luck of cause belongs to it....I mean: that tune(... playing Chopin) : those chords are inspired by Chopin, ...but it's also a bout a modal playing , which is also used by the guitarist John McLachlyn, the rhythm on the other side is south-american and it also has something songable, as like John Lennon used it. So all I did was mixing classic, rhythm and pop , which was half of what Sting made to a fantastic hit, and then I suddenly understand why Sting has so many houses: he has written two hundreds of such pieces and he is really rich: "He's a rich m**********r". And for that everything goes on like this, Sting and Dominic want to continue their co-work which started at the beginning of in 1990. As my left hand and my right hand Sting once described his guitarist, but he doesn't leave it with that, because he is not looking for statists on stage or bare idea-creators, but independent musician-personalities. "There are a lot of artists who wouldn't indorce the idea of their musicians doing the wrong thing, they wouldn't really care about it. " There are a lot of stars who don't really care about what their musicians are really doing, people like Elton John or Geaorge Michael, you know, big stars, or Bryan Adams. But Sting is just the opposite: the more we work on our own career, the better he looks.He's well known to engage independent musicians, Branford Marsalis is a good example: the better he looks , the better looks Sting. And we wants that we are doing something on our own when we are not working with him together. When we then turn back to his table we should show him our progress: new experiences, new impressions, new musical changes from India, Turkey, or Argentina. playing "Seven Sisters" "Third World" is Dominic Miller last instance for his musical originality, the CD was released in Spring this year. It's the fourth album which the guitarist released in his own name. It was produced in own production and concentrates on a quiet side of a apparently introvert artist."All I am doing here is, _ Well-I have the freedom to totally express myself, unconditionally. After a tour with Sting I have the financial freedom to do what I want. I don't need to do any commercial albums, I am doing that for my little, but very strong fan-community! If I get get two or three letters with the expression that I improve the quality of life is it reason enough for me to go on with my work. "It's a small fan-base, but it means a lot to them, and it means a lot to me. If I get two or three letters - I mean I get a lot of letters, but just two or three letters from fans saying that I improve the quality of their lives it enough for me to go on like this." playing "Altea" It's a therapy for me. And one of my disciplines is to not write music when I am on tour. I don't feel earthly enough to write music-pieces, because being on tour is like a unreal way of life. Though it's not so easy not to write, because I always have some ideas. "Cause sometimes I pick up the guitar and I colour with two chords and I think "WOW- that could be a piece". To understand the way of work of Dominic Miller right, you should know that the tours of Sting do not confine on few weeks. Just now the band is agin on tour and altogether it takes almost two years. With many little, but hardly bigger breaks the superstar presents his new work to the world: "everywhere" , says Miller, "where you can find electricity". So you can really talk of an unreal existence. "forgotten dream is actually a tune which I couldn't remember exactly and it shows my situation while composing. It actually only exists of two chords, which came into my mind during the tour, by accident and I wrote them on a napkin. Of course I lost it - therefore the title "Forgotten Dream". And as I worked on the album the two chords came back into my mind. Dominic: "I actually lost this peace of paper on this occasion, which is why I called it Forgotten Dream, then I was jamming, while I was doing this album, and I fell on this two chords. Again: playing Forgotten Dream" So only two chords are enough for Dominic Miller, so you can call him a "Minimalist", which is valid for his composition as for his guitar-playing. But be careful: do not underestimate him: he estimates himself as being a good generalist and his success is showing it: Dominic:>> Oh, there are a lot og guitar-players saying "Oh- I can do that", >>Well- I am not stopping you, do it!<<, many of the things that I play is very simple, but therefore I can play many different styles... >>there are so many guitarist that blow me away, but they don't play classical, they don't play country , they don't play funk, they don't play bossa nova, they don't play tango, heavy-rock, they don't play Hendrix. I mean I play every style okay.
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Post by Megan on Nov 23, 2004 10:41:53 GMT -5
ci¹g dalszy.. playing "Partido Alto" 1960 Dominic Miller was born in Buenos Aires, the family moved ten years later back to the USA. Miller's relationship concentrates since then on the one hand on his love to the soccer-team "river-played unior" and on the other hand on the South-American rhythm. Playing guitar he started in the USA in the age of fourteen, but musician he already wanted to become earlier. "When I was about ten or elen I decided I want to be a musician. I was just listening to the Stones, The Beatles, and then Hendrix , Creedens Clearwater revival and bands like that. I mean of course it was all slight fantasy, but then I was about fourteen and it became more earnest. I started playing classical guitar four hours a day and with sixteen I was sure that I wanted to become a musician. I then went to a summer-course to a well-known Berkley-college of music in Boston and I first thought I really wouldn't need it, but then there were all those guys in my age who had blown me away. This typical american ethic to work really hard on yourself had grabbed me. I really wanted to know it and "I practised until my fingers where bleeding". With bloody fingers Miller went to London, where he visited the London Guildhall of Music, together with people like Nigel Kennedy or bassist Pino Palladino, with whom Miller works until today or the keyboarder Mike Lindup of Level 42. However the studies didn't really fulfill him, so he decided to work as studio-musician. During that time he developed a method that made him become the most successful session- or studio-musician of our days. Sheryl Crow, Peter Gabriel, Ronan Keating, Rod Stewart, Luciano Pavarotti and so on and so on.. and here is the secret of success: "I come into the studio, I'm usually the last and only one in the studio - that'show it with modern productions- and I just listen to the music-piece. I don't start wildly playing to the piece or experiencing, I put my guitar into a different corner, drink a cup of coffee, lean back and listen. "What is it that I hear? Or I put myself into being sixteen or seventeen years old and I try to imagine that I am not a musician. And it's like 'What would I like thr guitar-player to play' - that's all it is. It's that simple. There are two sorts of session-musicians: the one group get's a part and they have to play it , the other group , to which he counts himself, have the task to create ideas- they shall not alone with their technique, but with their musical-knowledge enrich the music-piece. 1989 Dominic Miller met first time the producer Hugh Padgham, who arranged a meeting with Phil Collins, and that was his breakthrough. >>A classical example is when I first played with Phil Collins<< "I only got to hear the basic chord and that's all I played: (Dominic playing)... It was a simple line that I played, everyone could do that, but to me it was the key of success, because Phil Collins like it. And that's my job: they know that I can play guitar, they want that the songs become even better. playing "Another day in paradise".... 13 Million albums sold Phil Collins of "Another day in Paradise". Dominic Miller only got $ 500 that time for his part. But that didn't matter, because Miller now had a sound and a name. In the same year with meeting Phil Collins he also met Sting. And also here he did not emulate him or to impress him, but he played mainly himself. Miller: "When I did my audition with Sting, I didn't know any of his songs and I wasn't a fan of his music. I kind of liked the Police, ya, some of the Police-songs where good, you know. But I never ever played any of his stuff and I never tried to. I went to New York to audition with him and I knew nothing!" . So I gave him my interpretations of that pieces. One of it was "Fragile", a very South-American piece, I take up what he played and directly completed it. And I think that made the job possible, because Stings wants of all his musicians to bring in their own part. playing Quiero Decirte... Since the nineties Miller co-works with Sting and between he played for several popstars or he cared about his own career. So far four albums were released in his name and as far he needs accompaniment, he falls back upon his old band-members Pino Palladino and drummer Manu Catche. Miller: "The Tweeters came together, well, it's a band, we don't have a record, we don't have a deal, what we do.. " sometimes have some strange gigs. We do play so long together at sessions and we played on maybe thirty albums as a sort of band. So you get to know each other, you're jamming in the breaks or when the artist is late, we like our game- it's just fun. Miller: "We like each others playing, we are coming up with riffs, that's really what the Tweeters is- it's just fun". Next to this more little things Miller expressed his love towards classical music on "Shapes", which was released last year, where Miller offers a contemporary mixture of Bach, Beethoven and other big musicans music, supported by sythezisers and string-orchestra. playing "Gymnopedie"... Not really convincing is the youngest classical album of Dominic Miller. Rarely own compositions are shine through and they seem to be smoothed for commercial purposes. Maybe Miller should have used more elements how he uses them when practising. Miller: "I mean practising is a big argument. I mean we can talk about that for a long time...." to make it short: it's important to play slow and to play every tone with same precision. That's very frustrating, but helpful ("it's very frustrating, espc. when you are playing beautiful music - like Bach-music, it's great for practising. I love this pieces"... (playing Bach)... Think of all the american high-speed guitarists, famous people, "speed freaks, you ask for one of this guys, I am not going to mention any names, to do that piece, or to do that passage slowly, but they probably couldn't do it. playing "Presto"... Dominic Miller plays Bach as flamenco. Normally he just keeps himself fit with it, espc. when he tours with Sting. When you plays Bach in the morning, so Miller, you play in the concert in the evening with all easiness. Moreover it makes your soul feeling more equalized and maybe it's the reason that he hides to much behind Sting, when he shall promote his solo-album. In this way is his own statement that he is not a good songwriter, but good co-author of straight frankness. His cd's speak the same language, partly very beautiful and reserved compositions, in which you hardly find complete songs. Dominic Miller preserved one thing for sure: the ambition to listen and to give quiet tones space. playing "La Boca".... T³umaczenie pochodzi od Levke z Niemiec, która jak pewnie przyznacie odwali³a kawa³ dobrej roboty!!!! A dla tych którzy przegapili audycje lub chc¹ jej jeszcze raz wys³uchaæ podaje link service.gmx.net/mc/3rZb48wPvH8rw9W2m1KIinVUvAuI1q - nale¿y klikn¹æ w: "GMX Media Center starten". Mi³ego s³uchania
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Post by Megan on Nov 23, 2004 10:56:17 GMT -5
Czeœæ Nothingman , jak Ci podoba³ komentarz Dominica na temat iloœci domów Stinga, bo siê w tym momencie niezle uœmia³am ;D
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Post by szymexez on Nov 23, 2004 12:12:46 GMT -5
Rzeczywiscie, bardzo przyjemny koncert... ( ...ale ten Chopin... to chyba jakis Francuz byl... )
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Post by Megan on Nov 23, 2004 12:44:43 GMT -5
Rzeczywiscie, bardzo przyjemny koncert... ( ...ale ten Chopin... to chyba jakis Francuz byl... ) Chopin ... teraz lepiej? ;D
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Post by Nothingman on Nov 24, 2004 4:49:18 GMT -5
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Post by szymexez on Nov 24, 2004 15:43:12 GMT -5
Moze to przypadek... a moze, jak twierdza niektorzy, zatracilismy juz obiektywizm? ;D
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Post by Nothingman on Nov 24, 2004 16:23:02 GMT -5
I tu szanowny Szymexex dotknął poważniejszego tematu. Według mnie bowiem obiektywizmu nie mogliśmy zatracić albowiem nigdy go nie posiadaliśmy i nie będziemy posiadać jeśli chodzi o ocenę "sztuki". Gdzieś już to pisałem niedawno ale powtórzę, że "jedni wolą pomarańcze a drudzy jak im nogi śmierdzą" i to najlepiej określa właśnie fakt nie istnienia obiektywnych kategorii oceny "sztuki". No a jak komuś powyższe powiedzenie wydaje się "prostackie" to podaję jego salonowy odpowiednik: "De gustibus non est disputandum..."
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Post by Peppers on Nov 25, 2004 9:44:29 GMT -5
coz, no zgadza sie ze obiektywnym bardzo trudno byc... ja tam wiem co mi sie podoba i tego sie trzymam... a to, ze np. nie slucham kogos nie znaczy ze nie szanuje go jako tworcy muzyki... denerwuja mnie ludzie ktorzy np. zakladaja ze czegos nie lubia BO TAK i koniec
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Post by szymexez on Nov 25, 2004 14:17:33 GMT -5
A ja bym jednak optowal za starym podzialem na sztuke wysoka i niska... muzyke "dobra" i ta "inna". Nie przeszkadza mi to szanowac upodobania innych ludzi i przyznawac im prawa do wlasnego zdania a jednoczesnie poddawac ich ocenie. Mam chyba prawo do wlasnego zdania??
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Post by berry on Nov 25, 2004 14:25:50 GMT -5
ok, zgadzam siê, ka¿dy niech sobie s³ucha czego chce, ma do tego prawo i mo¿e mu sie podobaæ nawet to, co dla mnie jest kompletn¹ klap¹, ale kiedy slyszê np. takiego mezo, ostrego, eldo i calej reszty wielkich polskich raperow, to nie mogê powstrzymaæ sie od myœli, ze jednak niektórzy maj¹ dosyæ dziwny gust ale niech sobie sluchaj¹ tych ambitnych tekstow o tym jak to cudownie jest w Polsce i nic mi do tego TEXT "jak by to by³o, gdyby mnie na tym œwiecie nie by³o"
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Post by Nothingman on Nov 25, 2004 15:56:05 GMT -5
O widzę, że udało mi się rozocząć dyskusję Peppers: Obiektywnym jest trudno być bo nie da się być obiektywnym to jest moja główna teza nie ma bowiem jeśli chodzi o wartość "sztuki" czegoś takiego jak obiektywna ocena. Szymexez: Masz prawo do własnego zdania na temat "sztuki". Natomiast jeśli uważasz, że istnieje obiektywny podział na sztukę wysoką i niską to podaj proszę te kryteria według, których to oceniasz. Przy czym chcę podkreślić, że chodzi mi o to, że nie da się obiektywnie ocenić jakości sztuki. Można oczywiście obiektywnie ocenić, że ktoś gra lepiej na gitarze a któś gorzej albo ktoś gra piosenki oparte na trzech akordach a inny na dziesięciu, ale to wcale nie znaczy, że muzyka tworzona przez tego lepszego gitarzystę albo ta bardziej skomplikowana jest lepsza w sposób obiektywny. berry: "dziwny" gust? no może tak w każdym razie zawsze to lepiej niż gdyby powiedzieć, że mają zły gust ale najlepiej jest stwierdzić, że mają inny gust i wtedy nie wpada sie w żadną "spiralę nienawiści" Choć prywatnie można twierdzić, że np. Dave Matthews Band to gówno (ja tak uważam) ale ogólnie jak z kimś rozmawiam to mówię, że go nie słucham i tyle bo wiem, że wcale nie odczuwałbym żadnej przyjemności gdyby ktoś przy mnie mówił, że Sting to jest nudziarz i smędzi jak stara babcia. A teksty polskich (c)raperów nie często chyba jednak mówią, że w Polsce jest świetnie bo takie coś się nie wpisuje w ich stylistykę. Czyż nie? Czekam na kolejne głosy w dyskusji
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Post by Nothingman on Nov 25, 2004 15:59:26 GMT -5
powinno być smendzi
A czekam może nie tyle na głosy w dyskusji ile na argumenty do zbijania bo to, że w "sztuce" nie ma obiektywizmu to jest właśnie obiektywna prawda i jej będę bronił rękami i nogami choć chyba najkorzystniej to by było jej bronić głową znaczy mózgownicą swą
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